Int`l scholar discusses Islam and geopolitics

Background
Harun Yahya is a pen name used by Mr. Adnan Oktar. The pen-name
Harun Yahya is a combination of the names "Harun" (Aaron) and
"Yahya" (John) in honor of the two Prophets who struggled against
infidelity.
Born in Ankara in 1956, Adnan Oktar is a prominent Turkish
intellectual. Devoted to moral values and dedicated to
communicating to other people those values he embraces, Oktar began
his intellectual struggle in 1979 during his education at Mimar
Sinan University`s Academy of Fine Arts. His dedicated intellectual
effort against Darwinism and materialism has grown to become a
worldwide phenomenon. Quoted in the 22 April 2000 issue of New
Scientist, Mr. Oktar became an "international hero" in
communicating the fallacy of the theory of evolution and the fact
of creationism theory.
Many works of Harun Yahya were translated into English, French,
German, Italian, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Portuguese, Albanian,
Serbo-Croat (Bosnian), Polish, Urdu, Indonesian, Kazakh, Azeri,
Malay and Malayalam.
AzerNEWS: Mr. Oktar, could you tell us how you came up with the
idea to write an Atlas of Creation? Do you think you succeeded in
convincing the followers of Darwinism to change their beliefs?
Adnan Oktar: Of course, because evidence was used throughout the
book, from beginning to end. Not one or two pieces of evidence, but
hundreds are used, with photographs. I have published one part of
the 100 million fossils from beneath the ground. One hundred
million fossils prove creation. In other words, they have never
changed. For instance, they were the same 300 million years ago as
they are now. But what is even more interesting is that Darwinists
have not a single fossil they can call a transitional form to prove
Darwinism. What kind of theory is that? It is total nonsense, a
complete lie. You may say that something is a theory if there are
two or three bits of evidence supporting it.
Europe is now in a state of collapse when it comes to Darwinism. We
can see that from the opinion polls, from the way that scientists
and politicians have changed their minds, and from the reactions of
the press.
Nicolas Sarkozy was a classic, pro-materialist Frenchman before my
book fell into his hands. But he did a total volte-face in terms of
faith after reading my Atlas. Look at his statements. This is what
Sarkozy says: `It was atheism, not religion that caused suffering.
It is Almighty Allah who is in everyone`s thoughts and heart. It is
Allah Who liberates a person from being a prisoner, and Who sets
him free. Allah is a bastion against human beings` infinite pride
and madness. It is Allah Who supersedes all differences and Who
constantly gives people messages of humility and love, of peace and
brotherhood, of tolerance and respect.` What else need he say?
French papers were stunned by Sarkozy`s comments. Le Monde reported
them by saying `No-one expected him to go this far.`
Tony Blair had socialist, Darwinist, materialist views, as you
know. These are his views after obtaining and reading a copy of my
book: `You cannot understand the modern world without understanding
the importance of religious belief. Protect religion and help it
become a force for good.` That means he has realized that religion
is a force for good. In an interview, Blair said that he read the
Qur`an in the evenings and that he gave copies of the Qur`an to
famous artists. Bono, the soloist from the famous band U2, said
that he began reading the Qur`an after Blair gave him a copy. Blair
said that we need to turn to religion as a solution to the world`s
problems.
I also sent a copy to Jacques Chirac, who thanked me in a
hand-written letter. He said he found the book very excellent. And
as you know, he is very devout. Those are just the results from
France, so you can imagine the rest.
A poll by the (German) daily Die Welt says that 86% of people
believe that Allah created the Earth. These are the effects in the
wake of the book. Belgium`s De Morgen says that more than 6 out of
10 non-Muslim students at the University of Antwerp do not believe
that human beings are descended from apes. Eight out of 10 Muslim
students think that the theory of evolution is complete nonsense.
Asked in a poll by Denmark`s Ekstra Bladet whether they thought
that human beings are descended from apes, 88% of the Danish public
answered no. There were surveys in the Swiss Factum and the famous
daily Blick. The situation was the same. In a poll by the French
scientific web site Actualite, the level of believers in evolution
was 5%, compared to 92% for creation.
AzerNEWS: Does the spread of terrorism and religious fundamentalism
over the past decade, and the inability of the Islamic world to
counter these tendencies, indicate a weakness in Islamic
civilization? Some interpret the spread of terrorism and religious
fundamentalism as a consequence of weakness of Islam as a religion,
while others - as an incorrect comprehension of God in Islam. What
is your take on this?
Adnan Oktar: All those who perpetrated the September 11 attacks
were people who had received a materialist and atheist education,
who had been educated in Europe and who held materialist views.
Their identity papers may describe them as Muslims, but that is
irrelevant... The people who do these things are generally of the
kind I have described, people who have had a religious education
but who hold materialist views. We cannot put this down to Islam.
Can someone who fears Allah, who loves Allah with all his heart,
who believes in the Hereafter and who believes in Paradise and Hell
possibly bomb innocent women and children? What kind of courage is
that? They could not even conceive of such a thing. It would never
enter their minds, let alone actually carrying it out.
The cause of terror is Darwinism and materialism. This is
Marxism-Leninism. Terror is a precondition in Leninist thinking.
Marxism is theoretical communism and Leninism is applied communism.
It is communist thought in action. Lenin says the way to put it
into practice is through terror. Terror is essential in classical
Marxist and Leninist thinking.
Suicide bombers in Iraq are former members of the Baath Party and
people trained by them. Iraqi and Syrian Baathists all received a
Marxist-Leninist and Stalinist education. Iraqi head of state
Saddam tried to model himself on Stalin and was a great fan of
Stalin. And his practices were those of Stalinism: mass slaughter
and killings. Baathist people were dispersed among the public and
are still carrying out suicide attacks.
It is people at the very top of world power, Masons, who control
the communists, Baathist, etc. It is the Masons who control terror.
It was the Masons who controlled Saddam. They used him, and then
cast him off like an old shoe. They first used him in massacres,
but Saddam was nothing without Masonic support. The game was over
once the Masons decided he should be destroyed. They immediately
rounded him up and hanged him. The Masons are capable of anything.
They are very secret. Like bacteria entering the human body, they
gradually wear it down and kill it. Like a plague spore.
AzerNEWS: Who are Masons and what is their agenda?
Adnan Oktar: The Masons, the highest Masons, are in America and
Britain. But most powerfully they originate from Britain and
Ireland. They have historic, ancient temples, and there is one in
Jerusalem. They call them lodges, but they are really temples...
They meet in quite large numbers, two or three hundred people. They
place one person on a chair, then they hypnotize him so he goes
into a trance state. They have experts, cabbalists, who know how to
call up Shaytan, and they put that person in contact with Shaytan.
While he is in a trance, Shaytan starts speaking through his
voice... `Do this, do that... this is what I will do if you
don`t...` He makes threats of that kind. As a result of
hypnotizing, Shaytan appears before them as a direct image. That is
why the Masons fear Shaytan so much. They give Shaytan various
names, I believe they call him Baphomet. They put a strange-looking
entity with horns like a goat on the throne, and that is their
deity, that is what they behave according to. Masons are people who
directly worship Shaytan. The Masons write this in their own books,
they say that Shaytan lights their way, they write that in their
journals. The film about the Masons was broadcast on Channel 7. It
was shot in secret.
And Europeans ask where this idea of Shaytan came from... Darwinism
is an ancient Sumerian religion. It is a very ancient faith. This
is how Shaytan explains the world; when we are told we were
created, he says that chance created us. You, he says, were in a
bit of muddy water, compounds then formed within that slime, a cell
formed from them and went on to develop, but all by chance. Allah
did not do it, says Shaytan.
Freemasonry is very ancient. They even say that they have been
around since the time of the Prophet Adam. The Masons say that they
have been in existence ever since then. There is the story of Habil
and Kabil [Cain and Abel]. One brother killed the other. They claim
that the one who killed his brother was a Mason. They claim to
trace Masonry back to very ancient times. The Prophet Musa was a
follower of Allah and was invincible. Pharaoh was also a Mason, and
you will note that the reliefs on his palaces are full of Masonic
symbols. And Pharaoh`s philosophy was also Masonic.
AzerNEWS: You mentioned in your previous statements about the need
for unification of Azerbaijan and Turkey. Why do you think this is
necessary?
Adnan Oktar: It is urgent and essential for this genuine and noble
nation that believes in Allah, the Turkish nation that has always
striven against Shaytan, to unite in the face of the alliance of
Shaytan. Turkey is the state that can best protect Islam, best
maintain the interests of Islam, and best preserve national and
spiritual values. A Turkic union under Turkey`s leadership will be
a glorious world power. This is Turkey`s destiny, and the
Turkish-Islamic Union has already been founded in the sight of
Allah.
It is so logical and easy for Azerbaijan and Turkey to unify as
one. If we put our minds to it we can easily do it in one year or
two. Both sides are really keen. So what are we waiting for? The
first thing to do is to get rid of the passport regime, we must be
free to come and go without passports.
Initially, when the Soviet Union first disintegrated, members of
the Ergenekon deep state secret society went to Azerbaijan and the
Turkic states and behaved very badly there, frightening them and
doing things to make them uneasy. The truth of the matter is now
being revealed, and there is a new, virtuous and enlightened
generation there that wants the Turkish-Islamic Union. Masha`Allah,
there are excellent governments on both sides. Both sides want
unification. These are the years that are a great opportunity, in
that regard. The gentleman, Mr. Aliyev, has a really strong desire
for the Turkish-Islamic Union. His late father was the same. He
also wanted the Turkish-Islamic Union.
AzerNEWS: Do you support the theory of U.S. Professor Huntington
who asserted that the world is on the path of the widespread
unification of nations and, in the near future, the globe will be
divided into several major civilizations?
Adnan Oktar: True... and then just one, single civilization. He is
right. The world will first be divided into two poles. There will
be Christians and Muslims, and later there will be Muslims alone
with the coming of the Prophet `Christ. First, with the appearance
of the Mahdi, the world will consist of one Christian union and a
Muslim one, but they will remain as friends rather than as enemies.
After the return of the Prophet `Christ (a.s.) there will be only
one religion and society, the Muslim world alone. There will still
be states, of course, Turkey or Azerbaijan, because Allah tells us
in the Qur`an that He has created us `as nations.` He does not say
that nations will `cease to exist.` There will always be nations.
But there will only be one faith, Islam, and that will rule the
whole world.
AzerNEWS: How do you see the creation of a solution to the
Azeri-Armenian conflict? How would you resolve the current
deadlock, given that Armenia is failing to accept the right of
Upper Garabagh to self-determination within Azerbaijani territory
and is seeking full independence for the separatist region?
Adnan Oktar: These are the kind of things that arise in official
politics, materialist politics. There are no such problems in
politics in which religious faith and love prevail. You can go and
embrace the president of Armenia and their ministers, you will
wonder what happened to you, why we were divided. You will say that
we are brothers, that they also pray in their churches while you
pray in your mosques. You then invite them to dinner and you dine
together. And the matter is resolved.
If Turkey and Azerbaijan embrace Armenia they will jump for joy.
When Turkey embraces Armenia and says you are our brothers, Armenia
will tear down that `genocide monument` of theirs overnight, in a
single night. Our president went there and they turned their lights
out. If he goes three or four times more they will do away with any
remaining enmity. What does turning the lights out mean? It means
they do not accept the prevailing logic there. Our president did
not go and tell them to turn their lights out... it is a
requirement of love and dialogue. That is what friends do.
They will withdraw from Garabagh before you even ask them to do so
if you show them love and friendship. They will apologize, ask for
Allah`s forgiveness and open the region up.
It is obvious what we think of the Armenians from the name we gave
them, the Millet-i sadika, the loyal nation. There were Armenian
generals in the Ottoman Empire. The state was entrusted to them, to
Armenians. And they heroically defended the interests of the state,
of the Ottoman Empire. That is the kind of people they are. Why
were they turned against us? That was a dreadful thing to
do….literally a policy of enmity. We shall not fall for it.
We have been hearing about them being called names like "the
Moscof," "the Armenian" and similar, in a sense of dislike, for a
long time now. But why? The Russians are very nice people, full of
love, joyful with a good understanding of art and beauty,
well-mannered and kind. And Russia is also a Turkic state. It is
full of Turks. It is also an Islamic country overflowing with
Muslims. So why should they be our enemies? We love the Russians,
they are our brothers. It is out of the question. But there are
also Russian lodges and a great many Masons in Russia. The power
that made Lenin a Mason, Stalin a Mason, has not gone away.
We want Russia to grow, for it to be a strong state. We have no
desire for Russia to collapse. Russian people are highly lovable.
How could it possibly benefit us for them to be ruined? Even if we
were to gain something out of it I would still not want it.
Russia may have experienced a reflex of fear, have felt reluctance.
I mean if someone stands up and says the Turkish race is the
superior race and one that must rule the world... then any country
will instinctively move to protect itself. But the Turkish nation
is full of love and affection. It fears and loves Allah and is
virtuous. If you say we wish to bring peace and security to the
region, then Russia will have nothing to lose and will welcome you
with love.
AzerNEWS: What is your vision for Turkey`s further development? Do
you see Turkey as part of the European civilization or the Islamic
Mideast world?
Adnan Oktar: Turkey will be the leader of the Turkish-Islamic
world. The whole world will see this in 10-20 years. There is no
other alternative to this. This is the destiny of humanity. Turkic
countries are, in any case, mainly Muslim. But within Islam there
are also its brother faiths, Christianity and Judaism. They must be
regarded as the People of the Book. Regarded with love. They are
also a part of the Turkish-Islamic Union. Allah tells us of the
People of the Book. We invite them to Islam, but they are in any
case the People of the Book even if they are not Muslims. That is
the law. Because they are loyal to the law of the Prophet Moses,
and continue with it. Christianity is also loyal to the faith of
the Prophet `Christ (a.s.), and they continue as a community loyal
to him. We say they are also the People of the Book. Muslims can
marry them, can go and eat in their homes. What does this mean? It
means an air of close brotherhood and friendship.
AzerNEWS: What do you think motivates you most in life?
Adnan Oktar: Faith, of course, love and fear of Allah. I have but
one aim, to earn Allah`s approval, and I am motivated by anything
that will earn me that approval. I am someone who has devoted
himself entirely to Allah. That is all I want. I have no wishes or
demands from this world. All I want from this world is for people
to be happy, for my nation to be at peace, for peace and
brotherhood to rule the world and to become the foundation of the
Turkish-Islamic Union.
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